The RotCast Episode #34 – We Watch Watchmen

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Andrea joins Dave and I again for another epic, including more Watchmen minutia than one could ever hope for!

~~ Show Notes ~~
00:00:00 – Intro (RIP Baby)
00:09:00 – Watchmen Discussion [spoiler]
01:17:00 – Vicky Cristina Barcelona Discussion [spoiler] *
01:56:00 – General chit chat including Athena the Walker Hound, Battlestar Galactica, Lost, Secret Diary of a Call Girl, Mad Men, Revanche, The Tender Hook, Extreme Movie and Young at Heart
02:39:20 – Goodbyes

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14 Responses to The RotCast Episode #34 – We Watch Watchmen

  1. Dave says:

    1 out of 5 former video game bloggers approve of this podcast.

  2. Dave says:

    Totally off topic and probably belongs on the other site, but here’s the one song from the Tony Hawk games that I would love (and dread) to play in Rock Band.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PgRF0EXvZFM

  3. Grundy says:

    From what I know there are going to be two director’s cuts, one with the Black Freighter and one with out.

    Rorschach’s death is the same as the comic, he stops tells him to do it and Manhattan turns him into a big red stain on the snow.

    The Comedian seemed fine to me, I thought Morgan was great and actually would have loved it if his part was expanded. As for the Vietnam stuff, Manhattan does reach out saying, “Blake don’t…Do it.” The scene is basically the same as in the comic, the only real difference in the movie is Blake gets into his face about not doing anything as opposed to talking to him as he’s walking out of the bar.

    But I do agree about the Blake/Laurie father revelation being mishandled. I thought Crudup’s voice was good, it had a nice mix of disconnect and a sort of curiosity to it, which I thought was fitting.

    The music, for the most they were lifted right out of the comics. The Comedian having “The Sounds of Silence” playing, the song was written about the Kennedy assassination, and the movie has Blake on the grassy knoll, so it’s kind of ironic (even though a lot of people don’t know that). And “All Along the Watchtower” was actually played when Rorschach and Nite Owl were going to Antarctica, which is quoted at that spot in the comic (though it was the Dylan version). I didn’t have a problem with the music, but I can understand that other people would.

  4. Dave says:

    Yeah, I went and watched Chapter 12 the day after we taped this. Not much changed in the ending other than the means Veidt used and the tone of the Dan/Laurie’s visit to Sally.

    I know that “The Sounds of Silence” was written in response to the Kennedy assassination, but I don’t recall in the book seeing Comedian on the grassy gnoll. Either way it didn’t work for me.

    The Vietnam scene just looked too bright and seemed to draw a cleared line between the “good” and “bad” guys. I’m not saying Edward Blake was a paragon of virtue, but the mishandling of his reveal as Laurie’s father significantly diminishes what “good” was left in him when he died. That’s the theme of one of my major problems of the film; it skews so much gray in favor of hand holding that a lot of meaning is lost.

    No matter what way you look at it, the whole “Veidt was right” bullshit is asinine.

    I do apologize for getting my details mixed up. Memories can become distorted after a few years.

  5. Grundy says:

    It doesn’t explicitly say Blake was on the grassy knoll, but Adrian does mention that he was in Dallas on that day with Nixon.

  6. Dave says:

    So it’s implied. Doesn’t change things. ;)

  7. Dave says:

    Not to mention that, in our world, Kennedy’s assassination was probably carried out by multiple people.

    But Watchmen doesn’t take place in our world, which is the point I’ve trying to make as to why I didn’t get the music. I can’t find any mention of it being in the book and the Motion Comic had an original score.

    Really, though, what all of this is boiling down to is a matter of taste. You either liked the soundtrack or you didn’t. I should disclose that I’ve been a very big fan of Paul Simon’s work since I was a teenager, so that may or may not be a personal point of contention. I really fucking hate to pull this card, but The Dark Knight more resembled our world than Watchmen ever will, and it didn’t need to resort to catchy songs to get its point across.

    Bottom line, though, is we can argue details for the rest of the day and we’ll end up right back where we started.

  8. Grundy says:

    Well, whether there were multiple gunmen or not in the Kennedy assassination is always going to be up for debate, and yeah, it doens’t take place in our world, but who’s to say there isn’t allowed to be a gunman on the grassy knoll in other realities. It just so happens in the Watchmen one it was Edward Blake, and like I said it was alluded to by Veidt in the comic, and Snyder just decided to roll with it for the credit montage.

    “The Sound of Silence” was one of the few songs in the movie that wasn’t mentioned in the book, but I didn’t have a problem with it. But I do get that it’s about personal preference.

  9. Dave says:

    Okay, so we can agree to disagree. Good progress made today, let’s see if we can keep this up when, uhhhh, when, um, ah, Drag Me to Hell comes out.

  10. Chris says:

    Just started listening. That Mellowdrone at the start?

  11. Chris says:

    Dude, sorry about Baby. I remember her masthead photo.

  12. James says:

    @Chris – First two tracks off of The Bravery’s “The Sun and the Moon” plays in the start.

    @Dave – I don’t remember there being an actual panel with Comedian on the grassy gnoll, but I’m pretty sure there is a mention of it in the books.

    @Grundy – Music didn’t bother me either, I think it set the mood pretty well. My biggest gripe by far is how pristine the visuals were. I would have liked it to be a little bit grimy. Other than that, I thought it was about as good as an adaptation of that material as we could get in today’s climate.

    Still, makes you wonder what William Friedkin could have done with the material with a “French Connection” style budget and technology.

  13. Dave says:

    @Chris – Thanks. Time may heal all wounds but you’ll never forget the kind of friendship a good dog can give you.

  14. Grundy says:

    @James – A big blue naked Gene Hackman… A man can dream can’t he?

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